That attrition rate was about 33 percent when he was a midshipman 37 years ago. Second Class Dive School (15 weeks) at the Naval Diving and Salvage Training Center (NDSTC) in Panama City, FL, for training in any or all of the following: If it does then the toughest is the Seals. If you’re lucky you might only have to endure 61 days of training, unless you have to go the pre-ranger school or even worse… get recycled through a phase of training. Credit: Tactical Air Control Party (TACP) – USAF Forward Air Controllers who are assigned to, live with, and provide CAS to conventional Amy Manuver Units. SFC Tucker… I had the heart and was prepared to make it through Ranger School. Paramedicine? We love Grunt Style!! My hat is off to all the people who even attempt them and more to those who make it. Training programs such as D.O.G. But not so much the hardware aspects of it, just the theoretical parts, OSI model, protocols, command line tools, get familiar with Wireshark. Rating Description. Actually its called Special Forces Combat Diver Couse & Combat Dive Qualifications Course however, yes you are correct the attrition rate is. No votes so far! My guess is no. You mock what you don’t understand. Show some fucking respect and then do your homework. God bless you all and Thank you. Para-rescue and, Combat Controllers train the same way.. PJs and CCT are not exactly the same. Candidates may also volunteer for ND during basic training at Recruit Training Center, at A-school, or at any time during their enlistment prior to their 31st birthday. 2) Delta 4. J-SOCOM the 75th Ranger Regiment’s Special Troops Battalion world class Regimental Reconnaissance Company or RRC formerly called the Regimental Reconnaissance Detachment or RRD. It’s SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape), not sear, I think he meant sear school. Sure, its not as physically demanding, but there are very few unintelligent techs. Before attending the class "A" school, a seven week preparatory school will be completed at Naval Training Center, Great Lakes, Illinois. Though, I was highly proficient in the water, few can compare to a SEAL. Force Recon Just know that SAR school may seem hard but being an SAR AW at a deployed squadron will be a far greater test then the 5 weeks at ARSS. 5) Ranger. To make such a vague statement just shows how truly ignorant you are. On land, I’m good to go. May God Bless them and watch over them during their missions… PJ training is surely the toughest. I saw what they went throw and I new that wasent really what I wanted to do. The Navy Diver rating was established and made available at enlistment in 2006; First Class thru Master Chief Petty Officer conversion date was June 1, 2006 and Seaman Recruit thru Second Class Petty Officer conversion followed on October 1, 2006. First off the attrition rate for PJ’s would be greater if they hadn’t decided to make their own medics course since they were getting destroyed in SOCM school. I spent 3 years 4 month’s in Nam and I’m the real deal…. Nobody could really ever know because you’d have to go through all of them to even get an idea. Your email address will not be published. Way to go Quiet Professional. E3 than for Attrition paygrades rates E4 and were above. Alright, give me a good 7-10 years, and i will do all of these, or as many as possible. Right now I’m just training myself mentally and physically to push myself to the next level. That said – only 16 candidates made it through in that class. Languages like Russian, Chinese, Korean, and Arabic had 75% + attrition rates. I can tell you we had 62 start RANGER SCHOOL and graduated 21. attrition rates from A-school were slightly lower than male rates. For any grunt not to respect the blood sweat and tears of what it takes to even try to attend one of these schools…. 5. Learn subnetting and study up on Network+ certification. My sons sleep safe and free because of you. And physical training to strengthen legs. I went through the Special Forces Qualication Course in 1974-5. I have always told others that U.S. Air Force Special Tactics Squadron was the most difficult to pass. Navy Divers and diver support personnel are encouraged to use this web site which has been designed specifically for your enjoyment and to facilitate communication between all active, inactive, and retired Navy Divers and Diver Support Personnel. To become a Navy Diver or Explosive Ordnance Disposal Specialist, after boot camp you will attend what used to be called "Dive Prep" in Great Lakes. You sure did read a lot of books though! I served with the 129th ARRS, Pararescue and the 5th Special Forces, A-502 and MACV-SOG, SOA-CCC 1-0 of Rt, Delaware 1970. I was a Marine but not one of the “high speed, low drag” Recon or Scout Sniper types. Its seriously hard and a shame that they get made fun of. Training for Pararescue School is known as Superman School. Here is my 2 cents with attrition rates: If you train hard enough, and work hard enough, you'll be on the right side of the statistics. Diver ASVAB Test score requirement. This was the training school in Nha Trang, Vietnam, which was run by the Delta Project, 5th Special Forces Group, to train LRRP’s in Vietnam. 4. CCT selection has a 50% attrition rate with a further 27% rate for the Qualification Course. I can tell you right now this list is definitely not in the correct order, BUD/S and marsoc selection should be on the very top, then pararescue school right under that, any course that spends as much time in the water as Seal candidates is gonna have the highest dropout rate because water will make cowards of everyone. Navy enlisted personnel that graduate from second class or first class dive school; and ultimately master diver comprise the Navy Diver rating. I’m not sure about Delta, so it might be just as hard as SEAL, I don’t know. Diver Preparation Course (7 weeks) at Naval Training Command, Great Lakes, IL, for training in basic electrical and engineering courses, water adaptability and physical fitness. And we are all brothers, US Navy (DaNang Vietnam 22 months) There are also different levels of SERE school. You are about the dumbest piece of shit. (BUPERS), Navy Diver Community Manager (BUPERS-324F). Because there was one bud/s class where all dropped out. A. I’m willing to bet you have no basis for comparison. Exclusively taking lives? Thanks for you service brother. (Weapons Expert) training. Navy SEALs. I’ve seen a few too many cocky guys let their mouth and attitude over run their chances. In the late 80s I was assigned to the 129nd (not as a PJ). And that was just BRPC. Likely the guy who could pass Navy bud/s could pass Army Special Forces. That is a loving brotherhood…. A lot of would haves, could haves, but nevertheless I hold true respect for the gents that hold the line and give their best. Course Duration: 52 weeks. Nothing like saving a life… The brotherhood in these special area’s of the military are awesome. 10. Swimmer school is really hard, but from what I’ve heard, it’s not on the same level as many Special Ops training. Sea tours and shore tours for Sailors that have completed four sea tours will be 36 months at sea followed by 36 ashore until retirement. The Naval development group is up there with delta force. Much respect…To all the true warriors. And why hasnt anybody mentioned the Airforce’s other two Air Commado Special Operations unit types the 2 year Combat Cotroller School and training pipeline and the nearly 3 years plus Air Force Special Operations Combat Weather Technicians School and Training Pipeline. level 1 A 6 yr degree condensed into 1 yr. After the initial EOD preparation course in Great Lakes, Illinois that is 3 weeks long, Sailors travel to Panama City, Florida for eight weeks of basic EOD diver training. Can’t stand mouthy wannabes. Current 31B (Military Police). More info on Plf. In fact operators within the RRC are often called “mini CAG” because a good majority have traditionally eventually made it into the super top secret (true quiet professionals) unlike this other elite JSOCOM unit that goes by the name DEVGRU Naval Special Warfare Developmental Warfare Group aka “ST6” or SEAL Team 6. Because I was under the impression they did none of that. We all have the same job, protect each other as we protect our freedom. That’s from their own mouth. Aviation Rescue Swimmer (ARS) Training Overview . I served with the 129th ARRS, Pararescue and the 5th Special Forces, A-502 and MACV-SOG, SOA-CCC 1-0 of Rt, Delaware 1970. He is also checking out seals and swcc, but the failure rates for those schools seem so high (80% and 50% respectively) that I would hate for him to enlist for 6 years and not make it through. There had to be over 50 PJ’s there for his send off. I plan on enlisting and volunteering for the Navy Diver program. The Navy's computerized personnel system associates the rating name with an alphanumeric Navy Occupational Specialty (NOS) code. Fail in Pararescue training there is no redo’s! So I tried Army FO and again, another MEPS doctor said no. Once you are actually selected, however, it is in the Navy's best interests to see you complete. Seal training should be ahead of Army special forces training. Also, instructors tend to be very strict as well (there are not a whole lot of second chances when dealing with explosives). Clearance Diver Initial Employment Training - 50 Weeks (approximately) The Clearance Diving Course is based at the ADF Diving School located within HMAS Penguin, Sydney, NSW. Also served in the Navy with the Seabee’s of CHB-2 (Cargo Handling Battalion-2) And proper way to exit aircraft. Right now I believe it's the Army. I have noticed you don’t monetize, don’t waste your traffic, Let’s start by unpacking what exactly Officer Candidate School (OCS) is. To say that one is more difficult than another is a matter or the person and that persons personal experience and opinion. And its a year, even longer for Navy (dive, underwater, airborne, their version of SUT). Take care gents and God bless you all. I was a Team Leader for SOG. In the end, we are all brothers. One because I have been through it. Quote from: Marlin on Feb 15, 2014, 01:02 significantly Diving instruction higher for paygrades El, E2, and and the physical . I went through the same training.. do we know each other? These are all challenging courses with high drop-put rates, even for experienced Guardians and members of other services who transfer. My class started with 130 guys and we graduated 15. EOD school's attrition rate is sitting around 67% currently. Because their Mountain Rescue training is tougher? And for some of those who don’t get this, it was a joke I think all the schools are tough, anybody who wears a tab is a badass of course. That sounds so much better, and doesn’t remind everyone of the terrible Costner/Kutcher movie. AMERICAN GRIT IS THE REGISTERED TRADEMARK OF GRUNT STYLE LLC. Pool training at Fort Bragg was tough. The head of the PJ unit was Chief Masterseargent Wofford and I’m curious if he was just an airman at time you got out? They passed laws about guys like you. Hooyah. Hey academically US Navy Nuclear Field “A” School is tough to get through. Navy Diver 2nd Class Tommy McConnell.Photo courtesy of Tommy McConnell. We all have different missions, specific for our abilities and we have been established today by the mission essentials from past years. ahhh those were the days my friends… then off Guam/Japan for rescue mission station…, This list is a joke. And then you get guys like Mike who skip the part about them asking for comments and spend their time being a keyboard warrior and trying to start a dick measuring contest with anything that breathes. I don't know about the attrition rate now; but back then, it was a lot higher than 40% (more like 65-70%). Plus, the paramedics. The Air Force are “pussys”? Trainees must pass strenuous physical training qualifications including running, swimming (at various lengths and conditions), pull-ups, push-ups and sit-ups. I’ve been through both SF and PJ school. It really isn’t that difficult. Oh and also airborne school is a joke and SERE school isn’t hard you are just really fucking hungry the whole time. My indoctrination course was a mixed bag of former Marines (myself included), soldiers, a CG rescue swimmer, and of course regular AF types. Tough school but your list and anything else you have to say is invalid. For more information, click here. that’s all I can say as I went through it an it was tough. But being a PJ is the most awesome feeling. All of these schools are incredibly challenging physically, mentally, and emotionally. Others just take months. s.o.t.g. JP School is harder than SF training. This is the 911 service for all other miltary branches. If you see the official Navy website, you will see the training pipeline refers to this 4 week training (22 days plus weekends off) as PAC (Preconditioning and … 1. Many of them just quit and rang the bell. historical high attrition training rates, and to prevent undue delay in training, commands and personnel submitting request for conversion shall strictly adhere to the policy and requirements specified in this article. COMBAT dive school is tougher? I was expecting recon to be higher based on what ive heard from close sources but i knoe combat controllers and pararescue types are some of the hardest simply because of the variance in types of skills you need to pass them. Why isn’t Marine Corps SOI on this list? But from what I’ve researched, this list is totally wrong. Wow………SFC Tucker. But this is how I would rate it: Now I’ve attended Airborne, Air Assault, Pathfinder, Ranger, Army Basic Sniper, Marine Scout Sniper, SF SOTIC level 1-2 (Special Forces Special Operations Target Interdiction)[Now called SF Sniper Course], Jungle Operations, SERE level C, Military Free Fall, Army Reconnaissance & Surveillance Leaders Course, Air Force Wilderness Survival, etc… the goes on and none were easy however, in my opinion which probably doesn’t have much value since there are so many top notch been to every spec ops type training in the military who seem to know everything yet seriously know far too little based on the majority of posts Ive had the pleasure to read and laugh at the most physically, mentally, emotionally, stressful, stamina & endurance testing, unnatural, overall most difficult, technical (other than the sniper schools/courses & SF Group/ ODA level sniper/marksmanship training as far as technical) and intellectually demanding schools I attended in the 15 years experience as an army special operations and U.S. SOCOM 75th Ranger Regiment Ranger, 7th SF Group, 10th SF Group green beret & Special Operations Sniper is hands down the Special Forces Combat Diver School & Combat Diver Qualifications Course. 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